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Why I want to whack Missouri with a spoon

Who from now on will be back to Misery again. And yes, I will gleefully call her that until further notice.

And it`s NOT about me being all hurt and offended on precious Woobie!Dean`s behalf, because she hurt his delicate feelings. Because I think she didn`t. He was ANNOYED by her, not hurt.

Why then do I hate her? Simple, she was rude, abrasive and bitchy to someone she barely knew and who is an adult nonetheless. And she was all sweety-sweet to other adults. So is that how she relates to people who are younger than her? By treating them one way or another as children? Because I HATE that with the passion of a thousand burning suns. They`re adults, treat them accordingly.
I never was one for the wise big mama tough loving shtick. Who asked you to bestow your wise-ass-crap on others, who? And who the hell asked you to "raise" and discipline other people`s grown children?
HAAAATE. Because there are people like that in RL. (One in my family, so I know what I`m talking about.) Who IMO need to get a serious dose of their own medicine.


I`m not bothered that she didn`t mother or coddle Dean, because she is not his mother and he didn`t ask her to.

Now I`ve heard the argument about how she, as a Psychic, sensed how the boys wanted or needed to be treated. Lets forget the questionable ethics of rummaging through another person`s mind and private thoughts here for a moment (because who wouldn`t be down with that?). That would tell me Sam really, really wants to be molly-coddled through life`s hardship. Only I don`t believe for one instant he does. And Dean likes to be constantly annoyed by insults and verbal smackdowns. So, when was it, that Dean turned into a Masochist, who gets off on that?

And I`m really not some sensitive flower, who thinks people must make nice-nice all the time. I love the show House and its lead character. Yes, he treats people with disdain, but he doesn`t give off an annoying patronizing vibe. He is snarky an sarcastic to people, who in his eyes are being stupid.

My friends and I enjoy a good match of verbal judo like nobody I know. In fact someone who listened in on our conversation once was extremely bothered by our tone. *g* BUT I would have drop-kicked Misery down the freaking stairs of the house if she had taken that tone and attitude with me. I wouldn`t even take that from my ACTUAL mother.

I agree the last thing Dean wants is people going all emo on him, trying to draw him into a chick-flick (and btw, he wasn`t BORN with that attitude, I`m guessing John had a lot to do with this little development aka SW). But THIS is the answer? How about being all buisness-like with him or leaving him alone for God`s sake.
Personally I don`t want pity when I`m in emotional distress but I sure as hell wouldn`t want Missouri instead. It`s not one or the other.
When Dean was being all Emo in SW, Sam tried to talk with him about it and upon realizing Dean didn`t want that, let it go. And somehow Dean didn`t explode from that treatment. The mind boggles. *sarcasm end*

And what the fuck did he do to earn some of her more questionable comments? I`m all for calling people on their shit, but not in a: "You know, you`re probably gonna do something stupid next week, so let me take this opportunity to call you stupid now." *headdesk* Dean can be quite cocky but he wasn`t being so HERE. And that`s what matters.

I didn`t really mind the "don`t put your feet on my table" stuff etc, but what about: "He`s not the sharpest tool in the shed"? That is no different from saying: "He is stupid." And why? Because he was a bit brusque there? God, like poor wittle Jenny would have cried herself to death right there, I`m sure of it. *eyeroll*

And when Sam offered payment for the destruction of the house, it was a nice sentiment, but how was he going to pay? With one of their fake credit cards. Because that joke would be on Jenny. Or Dean`s poker money? Which Dean would have a right to be annoyed about. It`s not like they are swimming in it. And Misery, you ALL trashed the house. Not just him.
And then he is not allowed to give her a piece of his mind about it? What`s the matter Misery, you can dish it out but can`t take it?

And please someone explain the "Amateur" comment to me. Because how the hell is he supposed to do this job? He doesn`t have psychic powers. That would be like me calling a blind guy "Amateur" because he uses a guide dog. WTF? And to accomplish what, making him get off his ass and not be blind anymore? WTF????
At least he`s trying to help people and not sitting around charging (she is in the phonebook, she`ll charge) people for telling them lies. Wow, how morally superior of her.
And not to mention her own awesome powers sucked ass in this episode. *snickers*

So yes, she is Misery for me and that`s judging her on her own behaviour which I would find distasteful in anybody. And I`m taking the wild guess that nobody, neither man nor woman would actually enjoy being on the receiving end of her so called "tough love."

I think the writing terribly overshot with Missouri being all "funny". I can see how Sam would find it funny, because he is Dean`s kid brother and as such he would enjoy Dean`s humiliation a bit.

But me? I constantly wondered if Dean had run over her dog with the Impala or something.

To give a counter-example, I wouldn`t have found it funny either if say Bobby would have been all over Sam`s case in Devil`s Trap for some reason. And then we had to fanwank it how he was really meaning well and Sam probably needed a good kick in the ass. WTF?
If I have to fanwank a characters motivation in order to understand/like it, the writing failed.

Comments

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andromakhe001
May. 24th, 2006 08:49 pm (UTC)
Bows to your superior fire power. :)
astri13
May. 24th, 2006 09:26 pm (UTC)
Hee. Thanks.
As someome who was subjected to some Misery-treatment myself, I am unable to believe that anyone short of a masochist would like/want/need this or wouldn`t really mind it.

Funny/friendly trashtalking and snarking are like lightyears away from that. THAT I have absolutely no problem with, I do it with my friends or my mom all the time.
andromakhe001
May. 25th, 2006 05:06 am (UTC)
astri how is this for an excuse for Missouri's behavior and I quote:

" This assumes Missouri was rummaging around in his head. I found it just as likely that he's projecting his mental state all over her. And if he is, maybe he needs to know that, so he'll stop doing it. What are the courtesies of interacting with a psychic, particularly someone who seems to be a sensitive one, particularly when you live your life in a subculture where abilities like that aren't unheard of? Maybe you oughta know not to spew your mental packing peanuts all over other people.
"

See it's Dean's fault because the rude little bugger is having strong feelings in her presence, in his own head. :)
astri13
May. 25th, 2006 08:51 am (UTC)
I`m not sure how Missouri`s powers work, but I`m guessing she must have the ability to shield herself against others. Because hearing other people`s thoughts and feeling their emotions 24/7? Would drive anyone mad. So, no excuse not to use them until person is giving otherwise.

Secondly it would be like overhearing something private for me, meaning I would NOT bring it up to the other person, seeing as I wasn`t meant to know it in the first place.

Thirdly, the main argument still seems to revolve around: Come on, get over the Misery was so mean to poor wittle Dean argument.
Dean is not a victim and I like him that way. Thank you very much. *headdesk*

Which I explicitly stated wasn`t the point for me. I can take Dean wholly out of the equation and still look at her behaviour and hate it. I just really, really don`t like people who behave that way. The end. If we saw her being like that to the mailman or the grocer or one of her "clients", I`d be the same way. Her "sassy" (and it was about as sassy as Cassie) clicheness did nothing for me. I don`t care if that`s how she shows her love, it`s just a horrible way to do it.

And whoever is the recipient of this, it doesn`t matter if it bothers them or not. Otherwise it would be a-okay to be mean to people with thicker skin, just because they can take it. WTF?

That said, I`ve now reached a place of Zen about Misery (these rants have a real therapeutical effect *g*). I won`t change my mind about her and won`t shed a single tear when she gets eaten by a Wendigo. *g*
sargraf
May. 26th, 2006 12:49 am (UTC)
That would tell me Sam really, really wants to be molly-coddled through life`s hardship. Only I don`t believe for one instant he does.

Yes. Thank you. And exactly. Or doesn't anyone remember how he handled the patronizing "I know how you feel" from Dean? And people defending him, saying, "Well, of course Dean doesn't know how he feels, yadda." (Which is a different meta. :P) Or how he's handled his father trying to treat him like a child. Or how he's handled any order in general. (And Dean is the one with the need for an authoritative hand? Oookay.) In any case, Sam has never given any indication that he wants to be babied at all, and yet nobody protests on Sam's behalf that Misery was treating him badly. (Well, I did, but I think I was talking to the wind. Heh.) It's like a non-issue. Everyone's up in arms about Dean, on one side or the other. Poor Sam is anyone's pawn....

If I have to fanwank a characters motivation in order to understand/like it, the writing failed.

There are times when mystery provides deeper characterization in the long run. Ultimately, the writer should make it clear, and it will be the richer for the wait and expectation. ...And then there are Miseries. And I cannot for the life of me understand the extent of assumption and fanwanking that goes on to defend her. We've met her once. We don't know jack shit about her (pardon my french). Sometimes a "good guy" can be a bitch, and there isn't any deep or sympathetic motivation for it. It's just what it is, a mere part of their character, and we never get any explanation for it. We can fanwank all we want, but in the end, what is on screen and in the script is what we have in canon.
astri13
May. 26th, 2006 12:44 pm (UTC)
yet nobody protests on Sam's behalf that Misery was treating him badly. (Well, I did, but I think I was talking to the wind. Heh.) It's like a non-issue. Everyone's up in arms about Dean, on one side or the other. Poor Sam is anyone's pawn....

Sam may be not as opposed to chick flick moments as Dean and even this is questionable. Both brothers are quite willing to get the other to talk about his issues/feelings, but are not so down with having to talk about their own (see Dean-Sam in Wendigo, Provenance and Sam-Dean in Faith or Something Wicked).

IMO Sam is the one who is trying more in terms of establishing a better communication between the two and not just shrug everything away.

But I never got the impression he eats this: "Oh baby, let me pat you gently on the head" attitude up in any way. WTF?
It was kinda my understanding that he resented the probably insane amounts of mother-henning he was subjected to by Dean and/or John growing up.
If that were the case, I`m sure he could turn the puppy dog eyes on Dean and act all of four years old and Dean would happily call him Sammy (notice how Sam doesn`t like this) and treat him like a baby. So not happening.

Be it actual molly-coddling or being given orders like a kid with no say in the matter doesn`t make much difference in the long run. It`s both patronizing and totally discounting the fact that you`re dealing with a capable adult.
andromakhe001
Jun. 1st, 2006 04:55 am (UTC)
**It was kinda my understanding that he resented the probably insane amounts of mother-henning he was subjected to by Dean and/or John growing up.**

Where did you get that impression? Sam never said anything about being mother-henned. Everything he has said implies he felt just the opposite. That his father never cared about how he felt about anything, that he didn't like being put into those situations without a choice, that his father gave him a gun when he was 9 to help kill the monster under the bed, etc--one reason he gave for wanting a "normal life" was that it was "safe", so I don't think he's ever said anything that points to him feeling mother-henned, which implies overprotected. He was shocked his father was scared for him being at college on his own, it didn't even occur to him that his safety would be a consideration for his father's anger.

Sure he felt smothered(though absolutely nothing he's done or said implies by Dean himself except that Dean followed his father's orders instead of rebelling like himself) by John but that was because his father insisted he learn bow hunting instead of letting him play soccer, because his father didn't want him to go to college and then told him to stay gone, etc, etc. Not because he felt like he was being over-protected or babied. If anything he felt the opposite. Alot of his journey this season has been about discovering that he was protected more than he thought he was.

But even now, Dean doesn't overprotect Sam. He's protective but he doesn't stop him from allowing Sam to do dangeroung things in the course of their jobs, just from doing stupidly dangerous things like running into a burning house after a demon when it's pointless at that point and will just get him killed.
lovis
May. 26th, 2006 02:05 pm (UTC)
Yes, yes and YES! Thank you, kindly.

Oh man, even while I didn't mind her Sam-coddling (because he himself didn't seem to mind) in that one episode I'm sure it would have gotten on my nerves (as well as Sam's) if it would have gone on any moment longer.

Her breathy non-voice didn't make it better. But that's the actress' problem not Missouri's as a character.


I didn`t really mind the "don`t put your feet on my table" stuff

Nah, it got on my nerves just as much as the rest. Because, yeah, like he would have actually done that. And the comment about how he was a weird looking kid? 1) We already know that's not true and 2) what the fuck kind of rude comment is that?

At least he`s trying to help people and not sitting around charging (she is in the phonebook, she`ll charge) people for telling them lies. Wow, how morally superior of her.

*duh* Of course, she charges. As she said 'people don't come here for the truth, they come for good news'. So in her logic she's just giving the people what they want - there is absolutely no moral code behind that.


And because I always think the worst of people I don't like I will also say that she is false advertising all the way. As you said, her so called psychic powers suck like a sucking thing.

What I will give her is that she seems to be an empath, perhaps even a gifted one but psychic? Not so much.


What did she "see" anyway?

- She knew the guy's wife cheated on him with the gardener - well, the husband probably suspects that himself why else would he have gone to Missouri? He just wanted her to tell him his spouse is faithful.

- She knew Dean and Sam. Yeah, well John probably called her and told her they were coming.

- She felt a spirit in the house and mostly the nursery. Yeah, well tough shit, honey. How about two spirits, hm? And sure, she would think of only one when both Sam and Dean (and Jenny) probably did, too. And then after the ghost was 'evicted' she didn't sense anything anymore. Which was totally wrong, of course seeing as both spirits were still in the house. But everybody else thought it was gone and so she would, too.

- And afterwards, after Mary got rid of the ghost and sacrificed herself (even though I still don't understand why she would have to) when everything really was okay it was easy for her to validate that because Sam already did and both brother saw it happening.


Huh, look, a mini rant of my own. :)
astri13
May. 26th, 2006 02:48 pm (UTC)
Ah rant away. The more the merrier. *g*

And the comment about how he was a weird looking kid? 1) We already know that's not true and 2) what the fuck kind of rude comment is that?

Exactly the one some of these over-familiar, listen to my crap-because I`m wise and I view the world as my children types would make. If you want to do parenting get a)kids or b)a job that deals with kids aka preschool-teacher. OR SHUT YOUR TRAP.
Guess what, you and the Winchester boyr are not buddy-buddy even if you did knew them as children. They are grown men now, so how about a bit of professional polite conduct?

And if that`s her general attitude in life and code of conduct in general, it`s high-time someone told her it SUCKS.

And because I always think the worst of people I don't like I will also say that she is false advertising all the way. As you said, her so called psychic powers suck like a sucking thing.

You know, I wonder how she stays in buisness. I mean sooner or later people gonna figure out the truth and therefore see how much that "Psychic" was worth.


And it really gets on my last nerves when I read about how she treated the boys exactly how they need or want to be treated. Nobody wants that and nobody needs that. Because it doesn`t help anybody with anything. It is just annoying.
And Dean was holding his shit together well enough on his own, he didn`t need Bitchypants to help him with that.

And I really "love" how she cut him off before he could even talk back to her. So, she can be rude all she wants, he has to keep it in and can`t even THINK it? Btw I`m sure he didn`t have any rude thoughts about her before she started to get on his case.
Last time I checked thoughts were still private, so if she keeps getting things from him, she doesn`t wanna "hear", tough luck. Learn to shield, freaking psychic. Or is anybody required to walk on eggshells around here, even in their freaking heads? *headdesk*
delphinapterus
Jan. 6th, 2008 03:26 am (UTC)
I wanted to stand up and cheer by the end of this. Wonderfully done explanation of why Missouri fails as a human. She just rubs me really the wrong way because she has apparently no sense of common decency let alone politeness. I mean she had absolutely no right to tell Sam and Dean the client's wife was doing the gardner. So right from the start I didn't like her because of her apparent inability to be discret/keep a secret. Somebody unable to keep quiet about things is such a good ally for people in Sam and Dean's position too. /sarcasm

As far as Sam and Dean are concerned they don't know her at all so obviously John didn't see fit to either keep in contact with her or if he did present his children to her - given her peusdo-mothering approach I think that it would speak much better of John if he'd made sure not to expose his sons to her.
astri13
Jan. 7th, 2008 04:54 pm (UTC)
Wonderfully done explanation of why Missouri fails as a human. She just rubs me really the wrong way because she has apparently no sense of common decency let alone politeness. I mean she had absolutely no right to tell Sam and Dean the client's wife was doing the gardner. So right from the start I didn't like her because of her apparent inability to be discret/keep a secret.

I don`t know how she keeps in business. I mean usually stuff like cheating comes out sooner or later and I for one would be knocking on her door with an angry "give me back my money, cow" then.

I`m glad Loretta Devine isn`t likely to make another appearance because Misery just grated on me too much.
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