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So OC got cancelled? Never watched it so it doesn`t really matter to me but well, ratings for shows tend to go UP afte cancellation has been announced. Last thing we need is even tougher competition. And the show will run through right into February sweeps. Meh. And then anything new in its place has the first draw of being new. Le sigh.

Cocerning Hunted there is a little discussion going on right now at TwoP how Sam will react to the secret...and the lies and of course my brain immediately flashed to a scene where a pink-clad Sam stormed into the barn and confronted Dean about all the "secreths and lieths" - passive-agressively of course. Eek. When fandoms collide. *g*

Personally I would hope that "Hunted" makes a clear statement about the Myth-arc one way or the other. Yup, I do have issues with the arc where others might not but I feel - and not even Lost has this problem - that the arc is totally not in-step with the show. Yes I will long-windedly babblemeta about it behind the cut, it`s my way. :)


Case in point: we had a heavy Dean-focus so far and it looks like Sam gets his due now. Totally justifiably. In fact spoilers for upcoming eps seem pretty balanced to me. So I think the the show is coming along nicely. The arc IMO isn`t. It reduces Sam to being a Psyschic Kid. Who is Sam? A Psychic Kid. No, that`s what he is, not who.

And Dean is totally interchangeable within the arc. I mean kill him off, have Sam mourn and then team up with Sarah or Ava and the arc would be going along nicely. The demon storyline doesn`t require anybody special at Sam`s side. Sadly the show would be dead. WTF writers? The show lives off of Dean being Deanish and Sam being Sammish yet for the what I presume to be overreaching storyline of the Season/Show Dean can be fat and live in Florida for all it matters to the plot. Frankly you don`t even technically need Sam, only a PK-kid and his companion. Heck you could make the show about Andy and Tracy in terms of that.

Maybe that`s why I feel so disconnected from it, like in fanfic when the characters maybe called Dean and Sam but could just as well be Chip and Chap and have it be original fiction. I don`t feel drawn in. Yet I feel very much drawn into these specific characters in general. Just not in conjunction with this specific plotline.
I hated arcs and character development before then usually the show becomes as crappy as the plot. Here I love the show and think the main plot line sucks so far. AT THE SAME TIME.

So what I want in terms of clarification is this: is this arc supposed to continue like this: dribbled here and there with a certain disconnect or will it be wrapped up in the foreseeable future and have them start something new or will it be tightened and made more central and if so will Dean have a role in it that requires a) him specifically and b) him being who he is. Yup, that is different than inspiration/trope/sidekick. Because really, only two scenarios: "Return of the Jedi" or "Return of the King". In one the hero fulfills his Campellian quest and faces his final battle alone as only he can and his helper can be anybody. In the other the helper is still desperately needed because the "hero" never gets off his ass and generally loses at life.
It`s a problems buddys never face, I`m just saying. *whistles*

And will we get back to Sam "I have a mind and feelings" Winchester sometime? How does he stand on hunting long-term right now? Had a pretty good idea in Season 1, not so much in Season 2. If he is uncertain about it fine but I don`t even know that. Did he change his mind about Dad as statements like in "Bloodlust" would imply? Where does he stand, what does he stand for and what the hell is he thinking when he isn`t worrying his hair off about being a PK-kid? Oh, or is Dean`s prop or foil in his brother`s angst arc because that`s the real kicker: when Dean does his angsting Sam is marginalized.
Oh boy, only one at the time in the limelights? What the hell would you do with the cast of Lost? :-p

I kinda see that the storm is coming and they have to focus right now. I even acknowledge that only one of them can breakdown at any given time but you can`t keep them suspended in this state forever. So I`m hoping when it`s out we will get some answers, not plot-point answers but where the hell is this thing going-stuff.
I`d be fine if they made either brother dark as long as its earned and doesn`t come with a lame cop-out of "the evil energizer bunny made me do it." :)

I really liked Season 2 so far, the invidual moments, the depiction of grief, the funny, the sad, some horror, some action but whenever we get to the Demon stuff I look heavenwards in annoyance.
Thing is with Seaon 3 I hated the Myth-arc of the X-Files, boring, nonsensical and drawn out. I craved the standalone MotW-eps and loathed all the conspiracy ones. But I can`t even say that here. I think as an abstract the Demon and the Psychic Kids and all that is a very thrilling and interesting storyline. And I don`t "hate" hate the episodes that deal with it. "Nightmare" was cool, "Salvation" was neat, DT rocked, ImToD rocked twice as hard, "Simon Said" was so-so, "Hunted" looks pretty good judging from the Promos. So what the hell is it, I like the idea, even some of the execution but the whole package makes me groan. W.E.I.R.D.

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andromakhe001
Jan. 5th, 2007 08:13 am (UTC)
Oh, or is Dean`s prop or foil in his brother`s angst arc because that`s the real kicker: when Dean does his angsting Sam is marginalized.

It seems more to me that Dean's angst is a prop and foil to Sam's hero arc. The climax of what is being called Dean's arc is that Sam finds out the secret. Dean hasn't made a journey, Dean's been turned into a pychopath[exaggeration/but only slightly] to build dramatic tension for Sam's finding out of this secret about himself.

Dean has had light shining on him but hasn't gone any place or done anything as a character. He has no arc, he has angst and what little arc there may be has no heroism. In the meantime, Sam's arc has been stagnant. It does not seem to me that this is the best way to structure a show. Both main characters suffer.

The Return of the King comparison: The problem is Sam isn't Frodo. Frodo was a normal though adventuresom little hobbit. A big ass problem dropped in his lap and he took the responsibility for it on his shoulders. That isn't our Sam. Sam's a Psychic!Kid. Sam has powers beyond those of regular people. Sam was chosen because of his PK'ness.

Dean is more like Frodo, though I hope to high heavens in the end he doesn't sit on his ass and lose at life the way Frodo did. Dean had a problem dropped into his (4 year old)lap and he's been taking responsibility ever since. I don't mean Sam is the problem. I meant the situation in general was the problem. Dead mother, father falling to pieces, little brother to take care of, constant travel, secrets needing to be kept to keep the family together, sacrifices to be made. Dean did and for the most part continued to do what had to be done. Until this season. Where he has quickly started to become the later Frodo who loses at life.

Somehow that bastard Kripke has conspired to make our Sam both Luke Skywalker and Sam Gamgee. He's hero and sidekick. Dean seems to be neither. Clearly he is not the hero. But he can do nothing in the mytharc and so cannot be the sidekick.
astri13
Jan. 5th, 2007 04:48 pm (UTC)
It seems more to me that Dean's angst is a prop and foil to Sam's hero arc.

I think that`s a snake that feeds itself. Dean needs something to do sometimes so he gets emotional roller-coaster arcs because he can`t actually move the arc forward through action.
Sam can which is why all his angst is suddenly constricted to that or he gets to be Roma Downey in "Touched by an Angel" to foil Dean.

Again, it`s cast of frigging two people. It`s possible to showcase two people at the same time. Sam didn`t need to explode over John like Dean did but they could have given us quiet moments that showed us his feelings. Since ELAC, not so much.
Meanwhile they could have worked in a supernatural plot-thread for Dean, even in sublte hints. Which doesn`t have to be either powers or bait/switch. Say the CD did something to him when it revived him or finding out that indeed he is an anamoly in that all special kids were firstborn or we could have seen the CD secretely taunting him and of course he doesn`t tell Sam etc. Any of the thousand ways that a show called Supernatural can give a character a supernatural plotline in an active fashion. *sigh*

The Return of the King comparison: The problem is Sam isn't Frodo. Frodo was a normal though adventuresom little hobbit.

The situations are not the same but the thing is Samwise was the sidekick and the hero`s journey means that at a certain point the hero is good and ready to do it alone. Frodo failed, Samwise was needed right till the very end, especially then. So if you write it like that, like the companion is really, truly needed, it means that the "hero" couldn`t hack it.
Again buddies can carry each other as long as they want but a Campellian hero must swim or sink alone at some point. In the end one character or the other suffers, either a) becomes redundant or b) becomes a loser - in Campellian narrative. If you choose that you run the risk of boxing yourself in as a writer.

And it also lends itself to lazy writing of the hero and his angst, it often gets reduced to his destiny. Which can work fine on a feature film but not a TV show.

Somehow that bastard Kripke has conspired to make our Sam both Luke Skywalker and Sam Gamgee. He's hero and sidekick. Dean seems to be neither. Clearly he is not the hero. But he can do nothing in the mytharc and so cannot be the sidekick.

Hm, I see Sam as Luke and Chewie while Dean is Han and Leia. Which is all kinds of weird. And maybe that`s where they got the idea of Jo in that apparently Dean likes to date himself. :)
In LotR Dean can be Aragorn, Samwise and the one true ring. *g*
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