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Episode reaction

Saw my clip of 2.02.

- OMG, an honest to God "Return of the Jedi" funeral pyre. I don`t really know how I feel about that. On one hand it was well acted with Sam in tears and Dean in stone practically, but for one tear. On the other hand with all the Star Wars allusions constantly being made by Kripke I don`t know if I feel comfortable about ripping off whole scenes. Hopefully not plotlines too.
I love SW but SPN should do its own thing.

- Confrontation the First: Dean is trying to be his typical "I`m always okay" snarky self. And it`s obvious to me he is like a missile, counting T-10 till launch.
And Sam is trying so hard to be helpful but you can already see they`re gonna come to blows

- Roadhouse introduction: Is this thing in the middle of nowhere? I`m having "From Dusk till Dawn" flashbacks here.
Only thing I saw off Ash was him sleeping on the pool table, so I can`t comment.

Hated the punch, sorry it`s a terrible meet cute cliché and it made a ridiculous noise like she really had superpowers. And sorry again but she doesn`t look like she can pack a punch at all. Well, neiter do I but the matter is: I can`t.
The whole set-up were they get the drop on the guys is also one of these scenarios I would be clicking away if it was a fanfic. I thought the whole point of these people is that they`re in fact NOT out in the field. To use a military allegory they more or less have a desk job. It would be like they got the drop on some Marines freshly from the field. I don`t buy it and I felt like it forcibly showed how awesome they are. Something I always react badly to.

Ellen? Didn`t see much of her either but I hope she doesn`t become InstaFamily. That`s a title that has to be earned through years of BEING there for somebody. Don`t care if she boinked John. They`re all strangers here. That said, she seemed okay in the little I saw of her. Kind of bland really, didn`t elicit a strong reaction either way.
And for the record, why did John never mention the bar and everything to his sons? Why did he never bring them? Makes me think there is something about all of that that he didn`t want his kids to be part of.

Jo and Dean. Like her mother Jo didn`t elicit much of a reaction from me either and I think I caught everything about her. She was so obviously set up as love interest and not much of a character as much as I could see. Just simply bland. *shrug*
And no, they didn`t have chemistry at all. The casting department seems to take an unholy glee in casting the potential love interest like that. With the exception of Sarah I didn`t buy a single one and thought the boys did have awesome chem with some of the chick of the weeks.
Acting-wise? It felt flat to me. Okay, wasn`t much of character in the first place but some actors manage to still bring sparkle to such small parts. I didn`t feel it here. Not horrible like the Cassie-actress but nothing to write home about.

Have to say something about dialogue though. Her line about how all the hunters always try to get in her pants and she is just so much cooler than that? Maybe in reaction to full-on Horndog!Dean but boy that was so half-assed, painful flirting if I ever saw one. Needless to point out how you`re not interested, honey as he doesn`t really seem to be either. :)

And the ending felt ten kinds of forced. "Quick, lets have a connection, even though we`ve spoken like 20 words and the guy obviously is otherwise occupied for the time being."
I love that they show Dean as not interested in romance right now because hello, anything else would be character assassination but unless they can drum up some serious sparkage in future episodes, any realtionship will fall flat on its face.

Okay, onto the juice stuff.
Confrontation the second on the road. Wow, Dean spectacularly lashed out here. No problem admitting that. He is a flawed human being after all and the response was realistic and in character.
Didn`t make it any less painful to watch. He really layed it on Sam. It WAS hurtful. It was also truthful and there is nothing that can hurt like the truth.
I felt for Sam here with his: "Why are you saying this to me?" He was crushed and I think unused to have Dean be like this to him. And he did act out of good intentions, it was just again with the projecting and pushing. It`s their old problem of non-communication. Pretty much like Shadow, only this time Dean went for the jugular in response.
Dean-missile is now at T-5 till launch. :)

Confrontation the third:
Poor Sam tries to apologize and blames himself and generally nearly bawls. And Dean does NOTHING. He just looks at him, doesn`t try to comfort him, doesn`t try to alleviate his guilt, nothing. Anywhere in Season 1 I would have screamed OOC at the top of my lungs but not now because that is burn-out extra-ordinaire. He is incapable of consoling Sam here, heck he is incapable of dealing with himself.
Dean-missile. 3-2-1-0-and BOOM. Goes off on the poor defenseless Metallicar. Wow, that was a powerful scene. And it`s exactly what happens when somebody always internalizes everything like Dean did for x freaking years. Sooner or later a meltdown happens and it will be worse because suddenly everything comes out.

I`m guessing Dean is angry here at Dad mostly. At himself for lying? Scared because of the secret? Man, I hope they won`t dredge it out too long. *frets*

Kudos to the acting by JA and JP who continues to amaze me this Season.

Overall impression of the episode from what I`ve seen: nowhere near as good as the Premiere but rock-solid.

Comments

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legoline
Oct. 6th, 2006 05:45 pm (UTC)
Ah come on, the folks weren't that bad. My guess is that they did have too little time to introduce Jo, and I'm having hope that SHOULD she get more screentime they'll develop her character. With the two scenes she had in this episode I just shrug and say "Whatever" and am happy that the writers focused on the grief of the boys.

And for the record, why did John never mention the bar and everything to his sons? Why did he never bring them?

Didn't you see the bit where Dean muses that maybe John and Ellen had a fallout?

Poor Sam tries to apologize and blames himself and generally nearly bawls. And Dean does NOTHING. He just looks at him, doesn`t try to comfort him, doesn`t try to alleviate his guilt, nothing. Anywhere in Season 1 I would have screamed OOC at the top of my lungs but not now because that is burn-out extra-ordinaire. He is incapable of consoling Sam here, heck he is incapable of dealing with himself.


Indeed. He's looking at Sam like he's empty inside and hasn't got anything to give anymore.


Wow, that was a powerful scene. And it`s exactly what happens when somebody always internalizes everything

Definitely.



I say, considering that I had actually thought about not watching the ep at all I was positively surprised.
astri13
Oct. 6th, 2006 05:52 pm (UTC)
Ah come on, the folks weren't that bad.

I didn`t hate them or anything. I utterly shrugged about them. I just mentioned the points that made me groan. Jo didn`t even annoy me, not really, the character really fell flat. And as I said, I`ve seen actors do more with such little part. I never saw her on VM but the actress left me pretty cold here.
I maybe gotta say that it was the same with Jess. Utterly forgettable character to me.

Didn't you see the bit where Dean muses that maybe John and Ellen had a fallout?

But what about before? He must have come a couple of times to the bar where apparently hunter`s kids are spoiled by all the hunter uncles according to Jo`s Blog. Why did he never bring his own kids then? They could have used some positive attention as well.
So that makes me believe he absolutely didn`t want his kids in that place.
legoline
Oct. 6th, 2006 05:57 pm (UTC)
Ah right, ok then. Yeah I basically shrugged about them, too. Well, at least I'm willing to give them another chance. What I find funny is that Alona has much more chemistry with Jared, actually...

So that makes me believe he absolutely didn`t want his kids in that place.


Maybe he didn't. He said before he never wanted this life gor his children and maybe that would have meant going a step too far...

astri13
Oct. 6th, 2006 06:03 pm (UTC)
Maybe he didn't. He said before he never wanted this life gor his children and maybe that would have meant going a step too far...

Hee. "Okay, I`ll leave them alone in dingy motel rooms for three days with cereals, spaghetti and a shotgun, wondering if I ever come back, and possibly as monster bait but I wil absolutely NOT talk them to the Hunter Roadhouse...Because they might get a splinter there." *g*
Thing is, nothing ever surprises me where Dad is concerned.
legoline
Oct. 6th, 2006 06:05 pm (UTC)
I meant it more in a "taking them there would have meant admitting to himself how far they've come" way :-)
astri13
Oct. 6th, 2006 06:09 pm (UTC)
I know. :) It`s just I think *switching to German here* das Kind war da schon lange in den Brunnen gefallen *switching back* Bringing them to Hunter Central wouldn`t have made it any more or less real how they lived. On the contrary, these people seemed to have hadmore of a normal stable life than him and the boys.
legoline
Oct. 6th, 2006 08:03 pm (UTC)
YEah the thing is, I don't think John was thinking rationally...
andromakhe001
Oct. 7th, 2006 01:32 am (UTC)
Hi! Hey guess what? I hated Jo just as much as I thought I would. LOL She was bland, she had no chemistry with Dean. They didn't even "look" right together. He whined about getting hit by her? He fights two guys and gets thrown into walls by demons and doesn't make a peep but he whines about Barbie hitting him in the nose?

But the stuff with the boys was awesome. Oh my poor poor boys. I can understand why Dean lashed out. He asks Sam to stop trying to "help" him and Sam keeps pushing, which is also in character--the combination of trying to deal with his own and having some blinders on to the fact that just because it works for him doesn't mean it's right for everyone, good intentions but not going to work. You keep poking the bear, at some point it's going to bite. I think it was a protective mechanism. I don't think it was just anger, though that was most of it. It was fear too--like an animal being cornered. It's fear that makes them lash out. Dean's afraid, afraid of what's going to happen, afraid of whether he is going to be able to handle it--I don't even mean with the secret whatever it is, even without that I don't think he'd be much different. He's afraid he's going to shatter into a million little pieces and Sam just kept poking, making him feel closer and closer to breaking and so he struck out. And it's only been a week, just how much is Dean supposed to have dealt with this in a week. A lifetime of issues is coming home to roost with the death of his father, in a flood all at once.
astri13
Oct. 7th, 2006 11:48 am (UTC)
As I said, the whole introduction set-up was like the opposite way of gathering my sympathy but apart from that I really did find her bland. She wasn`t even a MarySue, she just had not much of a character at all. And the lack of chemistry was rather painful.

I don`t know what it is, I disliked both Max on DA and Lana on SV and both actresses don`t impress me much but JAlba had kick-ass chem with Jensen and even KK had little sparkage with him in the beginning. Here? Not so much. I realize they shouldn`t just mage googly eyes at each other and all that, considering the headspace Dean is currently in but they had no connection at all, no spark, Nada.

It made the last scene with her so weird. Like remember that one movie where two characters are chained to a Chariot and there is a declaration of love at the 11th hour? And I was both rooting for the guy and for them as a couple but that was like WTF?
That? Had mor of a set-up than this here.

Can`t really comment on the acting all that much since she didn`t have much to do but well, I don`t think she had presence. Few actors do, granted but she is not one of them.

And dito to the brother stuff. Didn`t Sam use nearly the same line he did in Faith?
"This I laugh in the face of death thing, it`s crap. I can see right through it."
"This stoic silent guy stuff is crap. I`m so over it."
Hee. He made have told Dean he didn`t care how Dean dealt but obviously he did. The tough guy, outwardly not dealing wasn`t cutting it for him. Yet it`s the way for Dean and he couldn`t accept it. And yes, he got bitten this time.

Dean, I thought was overwhelmed by everything. He just couldn`t comfort Sam at the end because there was nothing there. It`s like trying to rob a naked man. No use. Well, robbing a naked Dean might bring you some benefits after all. ;)
andromakhe001
Oct. 9th, 2006 03:32 pm (UTC)
I know that's the weird thing. JA can definitely have chemistry with the girls, he's had chemistry with some of the damsels in varying states of in distress on SPN. And I actually liked Jason and Lana at the beginning. I thought he made Lana kind of bearable. What I liked about Jason on Smallville at the beginning was that he came across as being more mature than the others, as he was supposed to be. He seemed rather manly with boyish charm instead of just boyish.
astri13
Oct. 9th, 2006 04:08 pm (UTC)
I thought he made Lana kind of bearable.

I was definitely impressed as that is a huge accomplishment. And word on how he seemed more mature. Made me giggle because Tom Welling is actually about a year older I think?

Too bad about Jason`s character assassination which made even less sense because Lana didn`t get any whiff off his sudden evilness so she still looked like a mega-bitch for dumping him out of nowhere. *headdesk*
andromakhe001
Oct. 9th, 2006 03:40 pm (UTC)
The scene with the chariot, you're talking about Attack of the Clones aren't you? :) Yah out of nowhere. I'm sorry I don't buy it--and it isn't helped by the fact that she looks about 16 and acts and sounds that way too.
astri13
Oct. 9th, 2006 04:19 pm (UTC)
The scene with the chariot, you're talking about Attack of the Clones aren't you? :)

Yup. ;) But as weird and sudden at that was it still had some set-up. They had a nice little conversation about sand :), a first kiss, a picnic and the dinner/fireplace combo where she at least admitted to some attraction.

But this last scene here? I honestly didn`t know why they were even talking to each other. Why the rude stare down and the weird come on?
When Sarah and Sam did it in "Provenance" it made sense but not here. As I said, Dean might as well have been a guy she met two days earlier and asked about the time.

As for this totally awkward scene before? It was Dean flying on Autopilot, trying to come onto here - and lets be honest here - pretty much the same as he propositioned Brandi with an I in "Provenance". Then he gets all: "Lets do...oh you know what, screw it, I can`t even muster up the enthusiasm to finish my own pick-up line."

Then she goes and tells him how everybody is trying to get in her pants. And I`ve seen this explained as her giving him pointers how to get her or not to get her. Uhm sorry, that might be a nice bit of trivia for...someone but clearly not for the guy who just said he isn`t even interested in being interested.
He didn`t take any pointers from her, I doubt he even really saw her apart from her rack to be blunt here.

So like half a day? later she comes on to the still not interested guy in a weird out of nowhere scene that just screamed "we have to establish their connection."
Try something simpler writers, like curing cancer.

That was some awkward and clunky writing and I just shook my head through all of it.
sj0126
Oct. 8th, 2006 04:50 am (UTC)
i loved what you said about dean's last scene. it was powerful but real to me. i wasn't really shocked by it because well...when you're grieving so much you need to let it out somewhere.

i think one of deans problems is that he never even got to fight with john. as weird as that sounds, he always put his problems with his dad on the backburner because sam and johns stuff was bad enough. i can understand that one. there was a time that i didn't really deal or talk about stuff with my dad because my sister and him were fighting all the time. it puts yourself in a weird situation and lots of unresolved issues if the parent just suddenly dies.
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