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Guess we`re two for two now?

Saw 3.04.

So yeah, I didn`t hate it but wasn`t blown away either. On the whole it was just very slow and expositionary with some good bits but not enough to make me jump up and down in excitement.


- Dean - Casey, their interaction was really well-played on both sides, why does this show do better with the casting of smallish parts? and I like that Dean is now in the loop more which will hopefully give him some direction again
On the other hand, all the info given in that scene ranges from "So?" to "Oh dear, you bit off way more than you can chew, show."

"Demons are just like humans." Please keep away from the moral shadyness. And I LOVE moral shadyness but since the days of Season 1, you haven`t been able to pull off true, subtle grey zones. Not once. And worse then NO grey is half-assed grey.

"Demons think humans are bad." I never thought they didn`t.

"The Theology of Demons and Storylines of ZOMG!Biblical!Stuff!Of!Epic!Proportions." The YED plan barely made sense. But at least it was kept relatively personal to the brothers. Now it`s all Demon War - I don`t care about - and Sam the Messiah of Hell - I don`t care about.

- I do care about Sam the person at the moment -quite a lot - but the more they are banging me over the head with his superspeshul destiny of worldspanning epicness, the more I lose interest again. That`s too out there for me. It`s okay in a show I started watching with that premise but we started with two relatively normal guys being thrown in extraordinary circumstances. Now one might be the AntiChrist. Meh.

If I were a demon - and could throw him into a windshield - I wouldn`t even DREAM about bowing down to him.
Also if he were the one and only Chosen, then everything on this show is predestined. John raising them as he did, Dean being screwed-up as he is. Because he needs the raise the Chosen One. Because OOPS, Messiah-guy croaked. That`s a hell of a plan.

So this whole storyline is of no interest to me right now. None. And while I have no opinion on Ruby, no hate, no love, she belongs in that convoluted mess so bzzzzzz. Either they pull a fast one on this plot that I haven`t seen yet - second half of the Season IF we get one - or I`ll start ffding it.

So Human!Sam will continue to hold my sympathy, MythSAM I`ll just blank out. I`ll just view them as completely different entities. Yay.

- Liked the guest actors. Casey and the Priest were really good. Richie was okay, Gen.Hammond wasn`t in much.

- Liked Dean being a competent hunter and generally giving us a bit of an insight into him.
While the nickel line was rather sleazy, I`ve kinda come to accept it by now.

And for the record, we have NO ONE seen doing an exorcism from memory. Not Bobby, not Tamara and not ever Sam either. So please show quit beating me on the head with the DimDean vs. Smart!Sam anvils. Who of them left his cell on when trailing somebody? SHOW, don`t tell.

- the last scene Sam - Ruby, honestly as someone who liked "Revenge of the Sith", I liked the scene better there. And it was basically the same.

All in all, I`m getting back with the characters but disliking the Myth-Plot. And since I only watch for the characters anyway, I guess that`s a bit unfortunate but fine.



And my personal views on eps aside, can I just say how much I resent the implication I see a lot at the moment that anybody who doesn`t like an ep and/or the Season so far is an idiot who doesn`t know quality or who likes bland cookie-cutter TV. Thanks for the condescenion, I guess. *headdesk*

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astri13
Oct. 26th, 2007 01:14 pm (UTC)
When I first saw him I was all, "Are Col. Jack, Daniel, Sam and Teal'C here too? Cause if they're in the corner nursing drinks, well that would be great."

Heh. Maybe those people weren`t all possessed and some had Goa`uld in them. *g*

I really enjoyed demon!Chick too. She was sultry.

Yup, she did a fabulous job with her part.

katikat
Oct. 26th, 2007 01:40 pm (UTC)
Uh, the demon could smash Sam into the windshield because he has no special powers to protect himself? I mean, he wouldn't have been a normal human who would have led demon armies but a powerful psychic. And now, he is not. As simple as that. And as a simple human, he can get thrown into a windshield *shrugs*

And actually, I like the theology stuff. Finally, we have some background and not just "pop, a demon is here" O.o

Hm, and the demons' behavior isn't that different from humans'...
legoline
Oct. 26th, 2007 01:43 pm (UTC)
I mean, he wouldn't have been a normal human who would have led demon armies but a powerful psychic. And now, he is not. As simple as that.

Just what I wrote. Damn. I could have saved my comment and just said "Word" :-)
katikat
Oct. 26th, 2007 01:56 pm (UTC)
Hehe, you know what they say about great minds. They think alike ;)
legoline
Oct. 26th, 2007 02:03 pm (UTC)
Apparently they do :-)
astri13
Oct. 26th, 2007 01:46 pm (UTC)
Uh, the demon could smash Sam into the windshield because he has no special powers to protect himself?

I know, which is my point. If I was a demon I`d rather crush him like a fly than even think about following him now the YED is gone. Pretty much what Pride said.

I`ve decided to watch it more like the X-Files now where I blacked out the whole alien conspiracy thing too, only with more investment on the characters.

I really like Dean and Sam again and their little moments in the episodes, and I`ll probably dig the standalones but I`m not interested in the Demon War or their linking it to Judeo-Christian mythology. Will just ignore those parts and enjoy the rest. :)
katikat
Oct. 26th, 2007 01:54 pm (UTC)
Well, I can understand why they would like to follow him still if he turned dark!psychic now. I mean, it's possible that the demon horde is still devided. Some might still want to seize the world as an organized army rather than go on a rampage by themselves. They might still want to follow the YED's plan and Sam is the only thing that's left of the YED's plan. So if he turned evil now, he could still unite them and make them strong and invincible again. Maybe that's why some of the demons want to kill him, to make sure that this would never ever happen...
legoline
Oct. 26th, 2007 02:03 pm (UTC)
I love that theory.
astri13
Oct. 26th, 2007 02:08 pm (UTC)
I think that was what the ep imply actually, I just find the "lets follow the human because we have nothing better" demon faction pretty lame. Their demonic compatriots rightfully should laugh at them while choosing a leader of their own midst. Sigh. I miss Pride.
katikat
Oct. 26th, 2007 02:36 pm (UTC)
And that's the problem. As the demon said, they have no natural leader among them, they are now all fighting for the crown. It's a sure bet that they kill each other first before acknowledging another demon as a leader. They need an outsider to pull them back together. Human!Sam is worth nothing to them. Bad!boy psychic!Sam is worth his weight in gold :D
legoline
Oct. 26th, 2007 01:42 pm (UTC)
If I were a demon - and could throw him into a windshield - I wouldn`t even DREAM about bowing down to him.


Sorry to be the spoil-sport but the demons wouldn't bow to Sam NOW. But if things had gone according to plan Sam wouldhave developed all his powers like Ava and Jake and the demons had bowed to him THEN. There's a difference :-)
astri13
Oct. 26th, 2007 01:49 pm (UTC)
Clearly DemonPriest was trying to edge him on though and Ruby in a way does the same. So apparently there are still those who want him to lead - after he developed his powers of course - and I`m with Pride there. I`d take great pleasure in crushing him like a bug now for the extreme humiliation of being possibly forced to bow to a human.

Seems they`re getting very Judeo-Christian now and that was Lucifer`s prime beef. Being put behind measly humans. :)
legoline
Oct. 26th, 2007 01:51 pm (UTC)
Well, I think they're just choosing the lesser evil - maybe they're the ones unhappy with the struggle for power, so they take the human over it for all their sake's...
astri13
Oct. 26th, 2007 01:51 pm (UTC)
forgot

So apparently there are still those who want him to lead

Which was actually my point in the post though I didn`t make it clear. :)
(Anonymous)
Oct. 26th, 2007 02:24 pm (UTC)
Sam's storyline sucks even more than Dean's.
Actually they both just suck out loud.
I'll probably get a lot of grief for this but the season finale with the shooting of the YED felt...off. It lacked the ooomph necessary to convince me he's dead which has led me to speculate that he's not totally gone. I just have a funny feeling in my stomach we haven't seen the last of Mr. YED just yet.
*crosses fingers*
suonguyen
Oct. 26th, 2007 04:49 pm (UTC)
I do really hope that Sam doesn't go all antichrist on us, or evil or leader of all evil whatever. It's been done is so many shows and hasn't really been liked so I doubt I'll enjoy it that much.

I wonder about Ruby though, I like the girl, she's got this sense of humour I've always liked. I do wonder why she's being all helpful, she even helped them fix the colt!
astri13
Oct. 26th, 2007 04:55 pm (UTC)
I do really hope that Sam doesn't go all antichrist on us, or evil or leader of all evil whatever. It's been done is so many shows and hasn't really been liked so I doubt I'll enjoy it that much.

Yeah, it`s so trite. I just can`t get invested in it.

I wonder about Ruby though, I like the girl, she's got this sense of humour I've always liked. I do wonder why she's being all helpful, she even helped them fix the colt!

Because I don`t hate her, I could see myself being a tad curious if it didn`t tie into that whole thing of demon politics. Demons used to be a lot scarier when they didn`t lecture and yap all the time. So right now I`m more with the "I don`t care what any of them want, can`t they just be evil and fun?"

So I`m guessing she has a whole lot complicated political reason to help too, like wanting to rule with Sam or using Sam to rule herself, but still demon politics? Less talking, more killing. :)
suonguyen
Oct. 26th, 2007 05:41 pm (UTC)
I'm very interested on how she plans on helping Sam save Dean... sounds all very sinister... lets hope its not as predictable as we're all making it sound like it is. You iknow the whole ruling the world thing.
albeitslowly
Oct. 26th, 2007 04:53 pm (UTC)
Hey, sorry for horning in. I think I was reading someone else's f-list, even after I vowed not to read episode discussion, and ended up here because of your comment about condescension. And Amen to that.

I hate the myth-arc at this point, too. I'm giving 'em til Christmas to wow me, but if it doesn't happen, I kinda like CSI, too, ya know? I can wait for the DVDs if it's gonna be superspeshul Sam all season. Still, like I said, giving it 'til Christmas.

As far as the theology, I think it was necessary to a degree to say hey, Man...demon...both created by same God, so ya know what, they ain't the only ones pulling strings here, and if they don't play nice, well, Daddy may just have to put his foot down. Do I want to see that happen? No. The idea of God and Lucifer plotting against each other on a weekly television show is just too much. You put that much emphasis on the big picture, and lose the personality of the show. It's already pretty much done that. Not that there hasn't been justification of the changes in characters, just that it doesn't necessarily make better television.

I'm pretty Meh, about the season. So far, the only epi I've liked was Black Rock. One more episode of Ruby pulling strings and getting things done, leading Sam along while Dean just kinda falls to the wayside, and I'm about done. And I'm sure someone's gonna read this comment and come in here and tell list all the stuff that Dean's done this season that makes him essential to the plot, but it's all seemed contrived to me, just something to give the other guy to do while the special does the important stuff. I started watching for Dean. I still watch for Dean, and right now, I get a better fix from my DVDs. It sounds pissy, but it's true. It's possible to have intensity and entertainment and mytharc without this over the top, over-ambitious, been done a hundred thousand times already, B.S.

And lets just say, that episode ws sooo boring, I almost fell asleep. Exposition is okay, a scene or two per epi, not the entire episode with one snapped neck and a show of demonic force to make it seem like more happens.

Oh dear, I beleive I have ranted in your private space. Please do be deleting if I offend in any way.
astri13
Oct. 26th, 2007 05:06 pm (UTC)
You put that much emphasis on the big picture, and lose the personality of the show. It's already pretty much done that. Not that there hasn't been justification of the changes in characters, just that it doesn't necessarily make better television.

Agreed. I just don`t get how the argument "shows need to change and grow, they can`t stay stale" translates into the imperative to like the new Season. If any story brings in a new twist, readers/viewers are still free to like or dislike said twist based on their personal preferences. Just because it`s change doesn`t automatically make it entertaining or enjoyable for everybody.

And I'm sure someone's gonna read this comment and come in here and tell list all the stuff that Dean's done this season that makes him essential to the plot, but it's all seemed contrived to me, just something to give the other guy to do while the special does the important stuff.

Honestly right now I feel there is a show within a show, it`s about a special boy king trying to unravel the mysteries of his special origins. I do simply not care about this show.

And yeah, I can make up all kinds of things why Dean is essential to that plot. Thing is, I don`t believe so. Someone else not seeing it that way? Fine. But I have a right to my own perception and making up my mind based on it.

Introducing the Others was change on Lost and nobody cried foul when people said they didn`t like the change.
I just see some weird logics flying around, with an undertone of "it`s great because I (the poster in question) like it". So? Millions seem to love Grey`s, must I therefore love it too?

And I'm sure someone's gonna read this comment and come in here and tell list all the stuff that Dean's done this season that makes him essential to the plot, but it's all seemed contrived to me, just something to give the other guy to do while the special does the important stuff.

I honestly feel that way too. Someone else is seeing it differently is fine of course but I have a read to my own perception and making up my mind based on them, I think.

Oh dear, I beleive I have ranted in your private space. Please do be deleting if I offend in any way.

No, that`s fine. This is a rant-friendly place as long as it`s done in a respectful manner to other opinions. Which you totally were.
albeitslowly
Oct. 26th, 2007 07:34 pm (UTC)
Oh, thanks for not beating me over the head. LOL. I swear, I just needed to get that off my chest. I love this show. It's pretty much all I do besides eat, sleep, and work. Still, I'm not going to just follow it off a cliff. I'd like to have at least a few fond memories of it, ya know?

I think I ranted in my own journal a couple weeks ago about people saying we're stupid for not liking the season, and I think the comment that set me off was specifically something about there not being enough cuddle time, which to me said, only slashers hate it because there are girls in it, and the boys aren't having sex on the screen. Read: slashers are all morons who can't see canon for the plot twists. I probably read too much into it, but I don't see why people get so defensive of other people's opinions and start making it personal.

I'm glad someone sees some of the same things I see that turn me off and doesn't think I'm just being stupid. I've really been biting my lip just because I know people roll their eyes and accuse me of not loving the show as much as they do. It just isn't true.
astri13
Oct. 26th, 2007 07:48 pm (UTC)
I've really been biting my lip just because I know people roll their eyes and accuse me of not loving the show as much as they do. It just isn't true.

Oh, don`t get me started on "TRUE Fans" and what they do and how they should follow a show and love it!!! even when turns crap. Seriously, you`re supposed to love something that you think is crap? Uh-uh.

Or the reverse "then stop watching". Yes, Sir. By your command, Sir.

And the "they haven`t disappointed us yet" brigade. Um, hello, please exclude me from that us-statement because I`ve had my quibbles before.

Basically it`s all variations of "you have an opinion that is not...mine? The mind boggles." that I can`t understand. I`ve read positive opinions of Season 3 I did not agree with and negatives I did not agree with either. I still don`t think the people holding said opinions are idiots or whatever.
Simple truth of life: people disagree. Obviously fandom is not supposed to be like life in some cases.
albeitslowly
Oct. 26th, 2007 07:53 pm (UTC)
I`ve read positive opinions of Season 3 I did not agree with and negatives I did not agree with either. I still don`t think the people holding said opinions are idiots or whatever.
Simple truth of life: people disagree. Obviously fandom is not supposed to be like life in some cases.


Well said, darlin'. I wanna strangle some of the naysayers just as much as some of the "OMG it's SOO AWESOME!!" crowd, because some people take a general feeling of meh and use it as an excuse to pick apart every little thing. That's so not necessary. There are things I like and things I don't, and I give equal credit to both. I don't use things I dislike to overshadow what's good. Beating the writers and producers over the head with negativity isn't going to get anyone their way.

*nods exuberantly*
astri13
Oct. 26th, 2007 05:07 pm (UTC)
that was supposed to be "I have a right to my own perception" of course. *facepalm*
ravenhawk7
Oct. 26th, 2007 07:53 pm (UTC)
I wasn't overly excited with the episode it was good I think maybe its sorta like a filler episode, like a lot of people have been sayin' on my journal its a lot to take in one episode but I think maybe too much was put in the episode, I was waiting on something else to happen in it I think. I dunno what but just something?

I dunno what to make about the Sam being evil storyline I don't think I want Sam to be evil and I neccessarily don't like the idea of Dean being the dim dumb one all the time, he has more experience in hunting than Sam..or was that just what I gained from the series so far?

anyways good review :]
astri13
Oct. 26th, 2007 08:06 pm (UTC)
and I neccessarily don't like the idea of Dean being the dim dumb one all the time, he has more experience in hunting than Sam..or was that just what I gained from the series so far?

No, absolutely not. Dean is a very good, experienced hunter and he has been shown to be such mostly in the last two episodes but then they always need to drop the anvils how Sam is smart and Dean is not and it`s like physics where two bodies can`t take the same room at the same time. Well, writers, there can be more than one intelligent person in a partnership. In fact they can be in the same room together. :)

anyways good review :]

Heh. Thanks. I know I`m ranting and nitpicking a lot but I figure it`s my journal. If I went to someone else`s lj and harshed on the squee, that would be different.
ravenhawk7
Oct. 26th, 2007 08:28 pm (UTC)
lol no honey you're right its your journal and you can write what you want. I respect your views as I hope you respect mine. Some people don't like it when you don't praise a show 24/7 but I don't wanna praise every episode if I didn't like it which is what I like to see happening in friends journals; yours as such :)

Dean is well equipped to deal with a lot for example he was in the hunting business for how many years before Sammy? He was always with John and he was always in the business i.e. not going to university or anything. I hope they show us some of Dean being the smarter one, yes Sammy is the bookworm and hes good at half of the things he finds out but Dean has more experience. Don't get me wrong I LOVE Sammy and hes awesome but for once i'd like to maybe see them switch roles for a while just to gain some perspective and show everyone that both of them can have the same type of qualities, they are brothers after all.

lol sorry I kinda rambled there honey! :P
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