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Listen to Methos

I have a slight question - and some meta, especially on gender issues - about something in

First off, so far I was okay with Bela, my reaction neither here nor there really, even though she is the kind of character that could get old fast if the writers don`t find a way to tie her into the story more intrinsically. "Oh look, a random cursed object, guess that means Bela will be around." She is for hire, let either some hunters, the FBI, or some nefarious demons hire her.

However something I DID like was her shooting at Dean and later shooting Sam because I felt that took it away from the cutesy "aww, she isn`t really so bad" stuff. She was more antagonistic and menacing (well, the acting wasn`t all that menacing, sorry) but in her actual acts I felt she was. Now I`ve seen some discussion how she knew she wouldn`t hit Dean. Which I saw totally differently.

She obviously knew about the curse but that doesn`t mean to me she knew that holding it would mean no bullets could hit you. The way I saw it play out it was "Damn, he stole it" bam bam bam "Damn, I can`t hit him" bam bam bam with the later bams being a tantrum but I felt at first she wanted and expected to hit him.

Equally I don`t see her as any different than Gordon really, in fact Gordon acts out of some warped sense of belief to do the right thing which motiv-wise I`d view as "nobler" if you can say that than personal greed. The same way Gordon didn`t shed a tear for some possessed girl who died during an exorcism, I don`t see Bela shedding a tear for collateral damage, say what Sam could have been. Sure she uses the old "it isn`t me, it`s society" argument but that`s an excuse that allows people to live with themselves, nothing more.

So yes, her gender or physical appearance totally shouldn`t matter in how Dean or Sam judge her acts. Which should be most unfavorable. Which is why any intimacy between Dean/Bela would squick me the hell out. Dean isn`t just a mindless dick -literally - without personal integrity and finding someone vile hardly ever does translate into finding them attractive, TV clichés notwithstanding. On the contrary, the first impulse of finding someone physically appealing can be often overruled in finding their character lacking. Actors whom I read substantial negative stuff about suddenly seem much less hot to me then.

Now even though being spoiled, it`s hard to determine where the character will go and how their next interaction will come across on screen but I do hope the show won`t succumb to the beloved double standard writing. Of course, somewhere down the line I expect them to bring out the redemption horse but that should be handled with helluva care and over a good long time.

Maybe you need to live 5000 years but anyone remember the Highlander episode where MacLeod reencounters that female Immortal who is a crazy stalker and she goes after Richie and even though she is a killer, both Mac and Richie let her go where you just KNOW they wouldn`t have let a man go for similar transgressions? Then Methos steps up, challenges her to fight and takes her head and upon her question who he is, he just says "A man who was born long before the age of chivalry."

Which btw, is Bobby the Methos of Supernatural? *g* He seems the most pragmatical overall.

Comments

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(Anonymous)
Oct. 20th, 2007 09:04 pm (UTC)
The Dean/Bela pairing squicks me out too. You're not alone in that assessment. Any chick with Dean doesn't work out so we don't have to worry about him settling down anytime soon. That's what irritated me about the whole "Dean having a kid concept" in ep 3.02 (didn't watch except the last 5 min btw) because it's just not feasible with their lifestyles.

I'm counting down the eps till the girls are gone, but it's pissing me off cause I have to wait 12 WHOLE EPISODES!! That's over half the freaking show!! *stabbyface*

**Which btw, is Bobby the Methos of Supernatural? *g* He seems the most pragmatical overall.**
Probably. He's got a good head on his shoulders.
astri13
Oct. 20th, 2007 09:23 pm (UTC)
Unfortunately when I break it down and considering they have to pay them even if they don`t use them, I think each actress will get her full 12 episodes, meaning half of the half Season or say Bela in about 6 of the first 12 and same for Ruby. And dito for the second half. Right up to the Finale.
Hopefully they can be together in some eps so we`ll get say 4-5 brothers alone eps in the whole Season at least.
(Anonymous)
Oct. 20th, 2007 10:50 pm (UTC)
They really screwed the show over. I'm not happy. :| Well based on the spoilers I've read Ruby's slated to appear up till episode 9 and Bela I'm not quite sure. I wish they'd contain them in the 1st half but noooo we have to put up with this trash up to the freaking finale.
4-5 brother alone eps sounds about right. Unfortunately for the core viewing audience. Hmph.

I KNEW this was going to happen. Why can't TPTB ever learn from their mistakes??
i_am_schizo
Oct. 21st, 2007 04:16 am (UTC)
I guess I have to agree with you there. :)

Uhm, somehow I get the feeling that she'll be redeemed later on in the show or perhaps they spare the redeeming part for Ruby the not-so-evil demon. But I doubt they'll get away with two evil women that are perhaps even killed in the end, not necessarily by Sam & Dean, but whoever else in order to end the threat they pose.

I wonder what would happen if either Bela or Ruby was a guy. It's weird and perhaps the real problem that the gender makes all the difference in the storyline you get and the way people view a character. Think of a not-so-evil demon possessing a young good-looking man's body who wants to help the Boy King (awful name!) or a young good-looking hunter type guy who doesn't care who hires him as long as the money's right and whose development in the show will go from antagonist to redeemed if not totally forgiven fellow hunter.

Would make for a whole different dynamic, I could imagine, if it weren't women but men. I don't think Gordon will be redeemed. At this point he's probably already too far gone what with his blind obsession for killing Sam.

Ah, sorry, these thoughts just popped up in my mind...
astri13
Oct. 21st, 2007 11:08 am (UTC)
Think of a not-so-evil demon possessing a young good-looking man's body who wants to help the Boy King (awful name!) or a young good-looking hunter type guy who doesn't care who hires him as long as the money's right and whose development in the show will go from antagonist to redeemed if not totally forgiven fellow hunter.

I rather think neither would be redeemed and the mercenary might have gotten a way more violent reaction to his actions in the last episode. Which yeah, bugs me.
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astri13
Oct. 21st, 2007 11:05 am (UTC)
I really hope that they don't do anything stupid, and try to hook Dean and Bela up; either as a romantic pairing or as a one night casual fling. That would discredit two seasons worth of Dean showing that Sam's safety is a top priority in his life.

See I 100 % agree. I guess I`m just thrown by reading how hot it would be if Dean and Bela had steamy, angry sex and I`m like "whaaaat?" That would so compromise Dean`s integrity as a character. He is more than a certain part of his anatomy and he doesn`t need to jump on any pretty woman in the vicinity.

I hope the PTBs never listen to that particular sentiment.
andromakhe001
Oct. 22nd, 2007 03:39 am (UTC)
LOL I remember that episode of Highlander. Methos was my favorite character on that show. (Although that doesn't mean I'd want the Winchester boys turning into him, what's great for one character isn't necessarily transferrable to another:). It was like come ON! She's an immortal and she's killing people, get rid of her.

But anyway, I am really concerned about the "double standard" because as someone said on TWOP, then she's really NOT a real antagonist. Yet despite what they obviously want us to think(Oh she's not so bad), I honestly think she's worse than Gordon. Gordon's crazy but at least he THINKS he's doing it for good reasons, to save people. She's just plain greedy and horrible and was more than willing to let people die just so she could make a buck. There isn't anything "cute" about her(and I can't say I felt Dean thought there was either, in fact I was quite glad that I thought it was played like Dean really didn't like her, I didn't think he was intrigued, I thought he genuinely didn't like her BUT the writing, because she was a hot woman, just didn't take it as far or make it as obvious as it would have been were she a man).

Honestly I'd have no trouble with one of the boys clocking her, if the situation warranted it. I don't care if she is a woman. You want to play with the big boys, you gotta be willing to take the hits.
astri13
Oct. 22nd, 2007 02:19 pm (UTC)
SPOILERS in here
LOL I remember that episode of Highlander. Methos was my favorite character on that show. (Although that doesn't mean I'd want the Winchester boys turning into him, what's great for one character isn't necessarily transferrable to another:)

Oh totally. Though there is a lot that can be learned from him about common sense. :)

It was like come ON! She's an immortal and she's killing people, get rid of her.

Me too. Letting her escape once was not very smart but I could buy it but when she tried to murder Richie`s friend and Mac was still all "oh, but she is a woman so I can`t take her head" it drove me nuts.
Did he ever take any female heads? Can`t recall now. Joan Jett in Season 1? I think he let her escape too. Oh, I know Ingrid in the Valkyrie ep and she even had good intentions. She less deserved to die than those others.

I honestly think she's worse than Gordon. Gordon's crazy but at least he THINKS he's doing it for good reasons, to save people. She's just plain greedy and horrible and was more than willing to let people die just so she could make a buck.

I agree. Gordon at least has convictions. And he doesn`t make up excuses for it a la "our bad world made me do it." He just does.

and I can't say I felt Dean thought there was either, in fact I was quite glad that I thought it was played like Dean really didn't like her, I didn't think he was intrigued, I thought he genuinely didn't like her BUT the writing, because she was a hot woman, just didn't take it as far or make it as obvious as it would have been were she a man).

Also true. That and the comedic downplaying of her bugged me a little. But I agree Dean seemed repulsed and not intrigued. Sure he noticed her body, he isn`t blind but her character? Yeah, not a fan.

I hope he plays it like this in the next one too, despite the stupid Moonlighting writing.
I thought there were some passages in the script where he could play it rather venomous and cold. And I still hope her ass ends put down in her place in that ep. If it ends with her winning, I`ll be disgusted.

Snooty people are only fun when they get their snooty asses handed to them.

Honestly I'd have no trouble with one of the boys clocking her, if the situation warranted it. I don't care if she is a woman. You want to play with the big boys, you gotta be willing to take the hits.

Also agreed. You can`t stand the heat? Stay out of the kitchen.
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