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Not being into Twilight, I only got the whole Fifty Shades of Grey sheananigans on the side. So, it started out as an - obviously AU - Twilight fanfic which the author later slightly rewrote (as in the names) and published. From the summary I got, it could have been (and probably was for some) an AU for any other het fandom.

Yesterday, I stumbled over an excerpt of it. And oh boy. Thing is, I have been in fandom for a while now and as such I have read bdsm in various forms as well. There are certain kinks I like but usually submission in specific forms is not it. And from what I saw, I have read this story as well. Not this particular one of course but enough fics that were close. In the end, it's not so different than several Buffy/Angelus fics I read once upon a time (and they were better written, too) or a certain SPN vampire "epic" with bad porn dialogue. Not particularly well-written, clichéd and the stuff that is okay for sex fantasies but would need a better effort to put it into the story (narrative, characters etc). By fic standards of "brave", I'd consider it outdated.

I find it fascinating, though, that FSOG rose to bestsellers lists like that. What is the appeal? I have read lots of bodice rippers in my youth. Granted, nothing truly BDSM. And before I got into online fandom and fanfic, I could probably be described as more "sheltered" as to certain themes. :) But this couldn`t have been the first lightly S/M sex book ever written, could it? Does it truly count as daring and fresh to non-fanfic readers? Is fanfic twenty years forward of its time? I feel so avant-garde now. Hee.

Also, they are making the novel into a movie? I was too lazy to research further but, like a TV movie? Or one to be realesed in movie theaters? Because how on Earth can this be anything but PG18? Besides, a cinematic movie about BDSM sex? HBO, sure, but mainstream? Unless they sanitize it and then it will have even less of a point. Eh, I`d probably watch it, too, as long as they actually put a hot guy in the supposed "most alluring dude ever" main role. Because let me tell you, that was a major stumbling block for me on Twilight.

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legoline
Aug. 11th, 2012 01:29 pm (UTC)
They're making it into a "movie" movie as far as I know. No casting news so far (though fans are pushing for Matt Bomer) and I just pray that someone who I don't care about gets casted, because whoever accepts the role will lose all my respect for good.

A friend read excerpts to us on our vacation and we kept mocking the book. What bothers me most is that it's labelled a BDSM book when it really isn't. A bit of kinky sex and a super jealous, controlling boyfriend doesn't equal BDSM.

Edited at 2012-08-11 01:30 pm (UTC)
astri13
Aug. 11th, 2012 01:39 pm (UTC)
No casting news so far (though fans are pushing for Matt Bomer)

At least he is hot. I can not even tell you how everytime Twilight wanted to tell me how Edward was this ehtereal male beauty, I wanted to bang my head against a table.

But somehow he doesn`t strike me as the type for the role. I don`t know if I`d buy sleazy, controlling jerk from him.

I wouldn`t blame him for taking the role, though. Could be a career-maker, depending on how it turns out.

From what I read it seemed mild, too. I mean, unless spanking is considered the heights of BDSM now. :) But that is what I read about it in terms of the "intrigue" of the book, that it gives this "oh, how naughty and dangerous" feeling. I guess the target audience are like the main heroine, completely naive and innocent virgins then.

and a super jealous, controlling boyfriend

That seems to be some romantic "ideal" that is currently going around, in fanfic and mainstream. Combining the bad boy woobie with some notion on how great it is to essentially being stalked. Of course, knowing the book`s Twilight origins that doesn`t surprise me. Edward and Bella are both ridiculous Sues in an overromanticized relationship that never made me feel for it. And I`m not usually averse to Romeo and Juliet types like these.
legoline
Aug. 11th, 2012 01:50 pm (UTC)
The Hunger Games fans are suffering through the same deal at the moment because apparently Finnick was casted the other day and--the "IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A POC!" outcries (seriously, he's being described as slightly ginger, green-eyed and tanned in the books) a lot of people don't find the actor attractive enough because Finnick is supposed to have this universa beauty. Then again, I guess it's hard to cast "universal beauty".

I just hope he turns the role down if he really gets the offer.

From what I read it seemed mild, too. I mean, unless spanking is considered the heights of BDSM now. :)

Yes :-) And....I don't know, but at least from what I read about actual BDSM relationships BDSM is, nevermind the master/slave deal, based on mutual trust and respect. Which Christian Grey seems to be missing completely, at least from what I've read/heard about the book.

I guess the target audience are like the main heroine, completely naive and innocent virgins then.

I have no idea. But the trend bothers me. I've read a few historical romances recently and I just can't stand those alphaholes. And then our friend read a bit from Anastasia's POV to us in which she claims how she is really the strong one (Really? Because your bf forbids you everything and you let him.) and Christian oh so fragile and then we all burst into laughter.

I think the "I can save him" fantasy plays into FSOG as well. After all, Christian is only a bad creepy stalker because he had a terrible, terrible childhood. I think his mother was a hooker or something.
astri13
Aug. 11th, 2012 02:08 pm (UTC)
a lot of people don't find the actor attractive enough because Finnick is supposed to have this universa beauty. Then again, I guess it's hard to cast "universal beauty".

Probably true. But I`m good as long as I find the person beautiful. And if looks are a defining trait of the character in a way, if it is part of the narrative, then it really, really takes me out of the story if they don`t do it for me.

I don't know, but at least from what I read about actual BDSM relationships BDSM is, nevermind the master/slave deal, based on mutual trust and respect.

I think the main concept is that in reality the submissive holds all the power because they can end it whenever they want. Which doesn`t work so well with a Mr.Controlling.

And then our friend read a bit from Anastasia's POV to us in which she claims how she is really the strong one (Really? Because your bf forbids you everything and you let him.) and Christian oh so fragile

Hee, really. I mean, in a real s/m dynamic, that might be even true but not in what I read.

After all, Christian is only a bad creepy stalker because he had a terrible, terrible childhood.

I have a soft spot for woobies and I don`t mind the "he has trauma, mkay" trope but it isn`t an excuse for whatever they do. There needs to be something that shows them at least being conflicted in their behaviour.

I've read a few historical romances recently and I just can't stand those alphaholes.

Like I said, I read tons of them and didn`t have a problem with most, I can enjoy this type to a degree since I like bad boys and/or machos better than nice guys. But I read a couple where even I threw up my hands in despair.

Like one where the main guy kidnapped the heroine and raped her twice in the first day and when he went to go for it a third time and she still tried to fight it, he threw a bitchy tantrum a la "OMG, are you STILL not into it? Like do I really have to go through all the effort to rape you yet again? The outrage". Or another one where Mr.Rapist liked to go at it in the morning because then the main heroine was too sleepy still to put up much of a fight. Guess it`s such an inconvenience otherwise. *shakes head*
leelust
Aug. 11th, 2012 05:38 pm (UTC)
All i can say is thanks gawds for spn so Jensen won't have time for this shit.
astri13
Aug. 11th, 2012 05:52 pm (UTC)
I doubt he`d do it. Even if they water it down, that calls for a highly sexualized role and graphic scenes and from everything he has done, he doesn`t seem comfortable with that level of graphicness.
gwendolen
Aug. 12th, 2012 07:43 am (UTC)
From what I've read on a lot of romance-blogs even the die-hard romance readers are totally baffeled by the success of 50SoG. And there are other much harder (and better) BDSM romance novels on the market. So it's nothing new or even surprising.

I mostly read M/M-romance where of course you can see the influence of fandom much more than in the het-romances.

I've only read a few snippets and summaries of 50SofG and that alone was enough to say : "No, thank you." I also haven't read or seen Twilight no matter how much some friends recommended it to me. I'm not much a friend of this whole stalker!boyfriend/innocent!idiotgirl-plotline. I like my female characters a lot more active and kickass.

The thing I really would love to read is a good BDSM-novel with a female dominant and a male submissive. Those are extreemly rare and usually the plotline goes: female dom meets super-dominant male and ends up exploring her own submissive side :-(. Never the other way around.
astri13
Aug. 12th, 2012 08:01 am (UTC)
even the die-hard romance readers are totally baffeled by the success of 50SoG.

I only read the excerpts but...it was just not well-written in any way. And I can do tropes, I can do clichés, I have a soft spot from the "trauma turned him cynical and bitter" male character but there still needs to be something there, some cute or quirky dialogue, some emotional investment in the characters. And I highly doubt reading the whole thing would bring that.

I mostly read M/M-romance where of course you can see the influence of fandom much more than in the het-romances.

I can totally see that.

I also haven't read or seen Twilight no matter how much some friends recommended it to me.

My best friend gave it to me as a gift but at that point I had already seen the movie and oh boy, talk about your brain leaking out of your ears from sheer boredom. I skimmed through the book but it`s really the epic tale of two ultra-Sues falling in the most boring love ever.

I like my female characters a lot more active and kickass.

When I was younger, I used to like the innocent damsels but these days ditto. I don`t need them to be warrior princesses but they should have a backbone.

The thing I really would love to read is a good BDSM-novel with a female dominant and a male submissive.

I only read bdsm as kink sometimes but I`m generally not too much into exploration of submission. This whole trend of alpha/omega in fanfic recently (couple years back it used to be alpha/beta at least, with an emphasis on how beta didn`t mean inferior, weak or truly submissive but omega is all "submit to the asshole, yay") really turns me off.
gwendolen
Aug. 12th, 2012 08:58 am (UTC)
some cute or quirky dialogue, some emotional investment in the characters. And I highly doubt reading the whole thing would bring that.

Yep, that. There has to be something that makes a character likebale and a passive character is not really likeable no matter how *nice* they are described at.

I don`t need them to be warrior princesses but they should have a backbone.

Even an innocent damsel can be kickass if she knows what she wants. There are some amazing regency-novels that have this kidn of constallation. He: bitter and experienced, she: innocent but headstrong and spirited (in some instances even a spinster).

This whole trend of alpha/omega in fanfic recently

I HATE that tredn. Just yesterday I skimmed over a Steve/Tony-story that was alpha/omega and it was just... no, just no. Yuck. The only alpha/omega-thing I accept is when it's done like Patricia Briggs did in her Werwolf-books where the Omega is outside the pack-hierachy and can stand up to an Alpha and even get them to do things their way.

Alpha/omega or even these dom/sub-universes aren't really my thing. I prefer it when it's something people still have a choice about, something they can explore because they want to and not because their *nature* compels them to. Throw in this whole mating-thing and I'm gone. For me it's the lack of consent inherent in the concept if that makes any sense? I've also never been much of a friend of the soulmates-trope.

Edited at 2012-08-12 08:59 am (UTC)
astri13
Aug. 12th, 2012 11:13 am (UTC)
and a passive character is not really likeable no matter how *nice* they are described at.

Agreed. I like some passion in my characters, good or bad.

There are some amazing regency-novels that have this kidn of constallation. He: bitter and experienced, she: innocent but headstrong and spirited (in some instances even a spinster).

*nod nod* These are the ones I really like, too. And that spark is usually what makes Mr.Cynical become attracted to them in the first place.

I prefer it when it's something people still have a choice about, something they can explore because they want to

Yup. I read an Arthur/Merlin AU (which was admittedly pretty much a lot of PWP) but the construct was such that Arthur was the CEO of a big company and to relieve the stress of power and responsibility, he liked to play out submissive fantasies in his down time. And he said when it was happening and clearly when he wasn`t in the mood. THAT, I can get behind.

But the alphas in the a/o stories are usually such unrepentant smug assholes who even get totally validated and rewarded for their asshole behaviour by their omega happily learning their place - as the little bitch. Urgh. The only thing I would cheer for is the omega hacking off the alpha-douche`s prized junk.

For me it's the lack of consent inherent in the concept if that makes any sense?

Totally. It`s not that different than sex pollen, aliens made us do it or fuck or die. Which, okay, can be fine porn-y kink. But I don`t care to see happy-fluffy relationship fic come from it.

Also, what the hell is up with "forced feminization"? Gender equality might not be all that it could be today but why in those stories have the "femme" guys live and act like women aka the middle ages? In Western societies no less? Women in general in the US aren`t barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen so why the hell do "forced women" have to and everyone thinks that makes perfect sense? *crazy*

I've also never been much of a friend of the soulmates-trope.

It depends for me on how it`s done. And, if I like the pairing in itself. :D
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