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The prequel conundrum...

You know, I really liked X-Men: First Class but it did that thing that nearly always happens when you clearly, clearly have not set the entire story up beforehand. In which case doing prequels later wouldn't pose a big problem.

Because once again, they took one of my most beloved storytelling tropes and retroactively botched it. In the first three movies, would you know Mystique and Charles Xavier have a history? That she was his childhood best friend? Me neither.

And that's the thing, I flove friends/lovers turned enemies because it sparks up the "enemyship", dealing with a person you once loved in whatever capacity and at least the memory of that never fully goes away.

They managed with Xavier and Magneto. Which was to be expected considering the canon. But if you give Mystique and Charles, or Mystique and Beast a history like this - which I actually love in concept - it makes me retroactively headdesk when I see the first three movies. Harumph.

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kriski
Jun. 7th, 2011 07:44 pm (UTC)
uhm, isn't mystique way younger than xavier? and does this mean she was in a concentration camp as well?
astri13
Jun. 7th, 2011 08:14 pm (UTC)
The age thing they explained with her mutation - apparently it also causes her to age extremely slowly.

And no concentration camp, that was Magneto's backstory. Xavier stumbled upon Mystique one day in his parent's mansion when they were both kids and they basically grew up together then.

Which now drives me batty when I think of the first X-Men movie where Mystique poisons the Cerebro, clearly to target Professor X, and she shows no qualms whatsoever about it. In the end of the prequel they clearly had their difference of thinking but she just as clearly still cared about him and their parting wasn't even unfriendly.

Like I said, I dig the backstory but now I'd need someone to edit the future story accordingly.
kriski
Jun. 7th, 2011 08:30 pm (UTC)
duh, right, magneto was the concentration camp backstory, duh! sorryy, i was always more of a dc reader and tend to mix up marvel characters. bad fangirl!

perhaps it is not meant as direct prequel. more of an alternative storyline? like they did with star trek?

this character inconsistency aside, would you recommend the movie? i have a guest coming this weekend and we may hit the cinema...
astri13
Jun. 7th, 2011 08:42 pm (UTC)
duh, right, magneto was the concentration camp backstory, duh! sorryy, i was always more of a dc reader and tend to mix up marvel characters. bad fangirl!

Heh, no worries. I barely know my way around either the Marvel or the DC characters. I mean, I can name the main ones probably but that's about it. My comic reading as a child consisted of - don't laugh - "Lustige Abenteuer aus Entenhausen". Ahem. *g*

perhaps it is not meant as direct prequel. more of an alternative storyline? like they did with star trek?

I think it's supposed to be a pretty straightforward prequel and this stuff kinda happens when you try to bolster the prologue.

this character inconsistency aside, would you recommend the movie? i have a guest coming this weekend and we may hit the cinema...

On its own, I'd totally recommend it. I liked the period setting and it did give the characters more depth. It didn't break things down into a clean good vs. evil IMO and I dug that. The bad guy was probably a bit too cartoony for my taste but that didn't detract from the story too much.

There is also a short cameo by another "future" character in it that I found absolutely hilarious in how it played.
fates3
Jun. 8th, 2011 01:26 am (UTC)
I think it's actually meant to be a reboot and not so much a prequel, because there were a lot of things different.

Example: pretty sure Emma Frost was a young woman who was trapped with the other mutants in Wolverine's movie. So that doesn't quite explain how she went from being a woman in her early 30s who is already an established villain, to being a young woman trapped by the military baddies in Wolverine.

Charles told someone that he and Erik built Cerebro. I think he said this in the first movie? When clearly, Hank built it. Plus, he and Erik were much older than teenagers when they met, and Charles had said they were teens when they met.

Moira was a young woman in this movie. And yet she was also a young woman in the third movie. So apparently, normal humans don't age? LOL!

And that's not even getting into the differences between comic canon, and what happened in the movie!

So for me, it was less a prequel and more like a reboot, starting at the beginning. Which is why I could explain away some of the things that happened in this movie, compared to the first three.

And I prefer this canon right now to the others anyways. I hated what happened in Last Stand and some of the things they did in that trilogy.

Edited at 2011-06-08 01:27 am (UTC)
queeberquabbler
Jun. 8th, 2011 02:12 pm (UTC)
Yup, it is a reboot, you're right, hon. And I have issues with all the X-men movies vs. the books, but hey, movie versions almost always wreck things, right? ::grumblefritzes::
astri13
Jun. 13th, 2011 10:17 am (UTC)
Heh, the most I know about X-Men comes from watching cartoons as a kid. So my biggest disappointment with the movies was mostly "but where is Gambit?" who had been my fave from the cartoon. And yeah, they put him in the Wolverine prequel but he was about the only good part in that.

queeberquabbler
Jun. 14th, 2011 03:12 pm (UTC)
I watched the cartoons too, and I was in late junior high/early high school. It was just cool to see them on TV at long last :) And DOOD, Gambit is my favorite, too! Here's hoping that with the reboot, we'll actually get to see Gambit and Rogue together, not Rogue with stupid Iceman and Gambit appearing for what...five minutes? In the Wolverine movie, no less? Gar. ::shakes fist::
astri13
Jun. 13th, 2011 10:15 am (UTC)
I think it's actually meant to be a reboot and not so much a prequel, because there were a lot of things different.

You're right, of course, there were a few differences. But I don't think there are plans right now to make new "older" movies that correspond with this one better?

I have decided to ignore the pre-exisiting X-Men movies (though I did like them actually) and just take this one on its own merits. Because it really is a wonderful movie IMO.
katikat
Jun. 16th, 2011 09:12 am (UTC)
You know, I liked the previous X-Men movies - hated Wolverine but whatever! - but none of them spoke to me like this one. It was amazing how much character development they managed to pack into it, how bound together and entwined the characters are, nobody is actually the bad guy and they still all love each other so much when they part ways. Amazing.
astri13
Jun. 16th, 2011 03:32 pm (UTC)
You know, I liked the previous X-Men movies - hated Wolverine but whatever! - but none of them spoke to me like this one.

I liked the first one best of the older movies but it's the same for me about being fannish for only First Class. And to think back when I heard about a Magneto origins movie, I thought "boy, this is probably going to suck". *g*

And while I liked Stewart and McKellan in their respective older roles, the new movie gives the characters so much more room to play around. Xavier isn't yet the always-wise-and-patient old mentor for his students but Charles who can also be cocky and bouncy. And Magneto isn't yet totally embittered but Erik who is still capable of loving and caring. That is how origin stories are supposed to be IMO.

Also, the casting is fantastic. I have never seen Fassbender in anything before but he was great and MacAvoy I liked since Dune. They could have easily cast from the same pool of young actors you see popping up in one movie after another.
katikat
Jun. 17th, 2011 08:02 am (UTC)
I didn't expect to like it at all. Wolverine was a big let-down for me. But this was... shiny!

I prefer McAvoy and Fassbender to Stewart and McKellen because, IMHO, McAvoy and Fassbender have better chemistry. Maybe it's because they were actually given more intense stuff to do as Charles and Erik together? Or maybe it's because the actors are genuinely having a LOT of fun, like laughing and bouncing and doing crazy, crazy stuff on the set?
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